OK, so I don't normally do this...anymore

Rare4thgens · #1 (**permalink**) 07-18-2006, 08:30 AM

Well, I went to visit a friend near Marine City and what happens? I not only get into my second "fight" (just what me and a couple buds call it) of the year but the third. First one wasn't really a race, just an embarrassing poke at someone who needed a lesson. I was headding to 94 on Hall road. He was in a Hemi Magnum and I was in my Z. He boxed me out for no reason after he saw I wanted to pass him. I don't like going the speed limit in the far left lane let alone under, which he was until he saw me. Also, I am sure once he realized that I was in a Z, it through a spark up his ass. So, honestly, I am sick of people f-in with me in the Z (I don't mean "car folks" since they don't anyway) so I take no mercy and shove the Z up close to his bumper while he is flat out on it ( I could smell AND see it) and I still had another gear to drop to. So the next time, I did, and ran it up hard since I had no way to get around thanks to him. Felt good but I wish I could have got him next to me.

The next one was one I have honestly been waiting for since they came to the U.S. A stock apearing silver EVO (looked pretty stock to my ignant ass). I was returing home on 59 and once again, he was the slow poke in the left lane barely doin the limit and I went to pass when it widened up and what? He speed up right next to me, Sucker. Well, I figuer, he is gonna keep up for sec, right? Nope. I dump 5th to get his attention, then 4th and he noses up with me and goes for it. He is right next to me when I then dump to 3rd @75 mph and proceed to walk passed him. I granny to 4th at 5700 rpm and continue about 115 and he is waaaay back there. So I let up and here he comes again. Maybe he mis-shifted? Nope. I go to 4th at 70 mph and sit there and let him get ahead and then I floor it, he is barely pullin on me lol, then I dump it back down to third and proceed to not let up until I figure he has learned his lesson. Well, I am way ahead but he isn't letting up lol so I decided to see if he can hang in a corner, nope, nervouse and maybe outclassed he slows way down when it drops to 45 around one but then he speeds up again lol. There is a tight one where it drops to 35 going into downtown Pontiac so I let up until he is at my door and then dump to third and trail brake into the turn drifting (yes, actual "drifting") ever so slightly showing him up on that too. Well, what is left? From a light, a dig, what ever you want to call it. Now, not only doe he have awd, it is dusty from construction so I know, at last, he will make himself feel better. Nope. I know he is going to go so I bring the revs up to 2400 and feather it out until I can grab, mean while, he is right next to me, WTF? I am finally able to floor it and I leave him behind, litterally, in the dust. A proud moment for this 94 thousand mile, ticking, bitchy trans having so on and so forth 94 Z28 1LE. :smt079

z28 justin · #2 (**permalink**) 07-18-2006, 09:14 AM

Nice work. Sounds like you had lots of fun.

defln67 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-18-2006, 01:06 PM

goodjob :smt023 bet he felt better about gettin that ass waxed multiple times

Strkd89FB · #4 (**permalink**) 07-18-2006, 04:26 PM

Way to go! :smt023

DanO · #5 (**permalink**) 07-20-2006, 10:45 PM

Well an evo is a mid 13 second car stock.. and a stock LT1 camaro stock is mid to high 13's on a good day. But then again.. he could have sucked at driving which is most likely the case 'if' it truly was an evo and not an imposter.

Rare4thgens · #6 (**permalink**) 07-27-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DanO

Well an evo is a mid 13 second car stock.. and a stock LT1 camaro stock is mid to high 13's on a good day. But then again.. he could have sucked at driving which is most likely the case 'if' it truly was an evo and not an imposter.

Gee, thanks for enlightening me lol. :smt015 I have ran a corrected 13.45@105 in my old 96 SS which is better then the factory claim of 13.46@105(actual time was a 14.0 @ 101 mph at 3000+ feet in about 60 degree weather with a 2.22 60 ft if I remember right). I know what the EVO is capable of lol and what a real one looks like. Considering my car weighs roughly 3000 lbs even, and makes about 340 hp at the crank and 360 ft lbs, a simple hp to weight ratio will give you some idea of what the car is capable of even as tired as it is and running as rich as it does.

BTW, I will add, I got stupid the other day and ran it a couple more times. I came up on an SRT8 Jeep and an SRT10 Ram about to run at each other at a light. I was stopped on Mound and stuck behind another car so I had to sneak around him after they launched. WOW, that jeep took off HARD but I caught right up and passed them both at a steady pace. They were cool about it and all thumbs up and smiles.

Then, I decided to pick on a new Yellow Musttang GT convertible. It just wasn't fair, even with a full tank and a passenger in my car, he just had no chance getting onto 94 from 59. I was behind him getting on and just walked past him and the young girls he was showing a good time to (not in the dirty way). I can't wait to rebuild the engine and trans and get a propper tune.

RyeLou · #7 (**permalink**) 07-27-2006, 08:58 PM

IMO corrected numbers don't mean anything. I'd love to say I ran a corrected 12.03 @ 118.3 but I didn't. Not trying to discredit you at all, just stating my opinion.

Also, with the LT1 (assuming it's stock) the only way you would have caught that SRT8 Jeep is if he let off a bit. Those should run low-mid 13's @ 105ish stock. Unless your race went past 100 (and it doesn't sound like it did) I don't think he was on it all the way after his launch.

Rare4thgens · #8 (**permalink**) 07-28-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RyeLou

IMO corrected numbers don't mean anything. I'd love to say I ran a corrected 12.03 @ 118.3 but I didn't. Not trying to discredit you at all, just stating my opinion.

Also, with the LT1 (assuming it's stock) the only way you would have caught that SRT8 Jeep is if he let off a bit. Those should run low-mid 13's @ 105ish stock. Unless your race went past 100 (and it doesn't sound like it did) I don't think he was on it all the way after his launch.

It's scientific data. Not to mention any person I knew could see a direct drop in times by driving from Tucson at 3000+ feet north to Phoenix which is at 2000 feet and drop nearly 4 tenths so I know it the calculations coincided with the change in conditions perfectly. I have run in 100 degree weather and in perfect 60 degree and in 40 degree. Head winds, tail winds. All conditions have different effects. Humidity too of course. I have run a half dozen cars at a few tracks and have owned 3 LT1 cars, two of which I currently own and I know them quite well. I also know what the SRT 8 Jeep is capable of. I don't appreciate being made to look naive. He was on it, my car isn't stock and if you took the time to check out my site and mods (need to update that) you might have known that and not have posted. Also, I did hit 4th gear and that means I was going over 100 mph since I leave third at about 94 mph ( I will check next time lol). It was on cement, on Mound Rd so I was able to hook nicely. On stock suspension, cold asphault track, I ran a 13.62 @103.99 w/2.27 60ft during the fall at Milan a couple years ago. After control arms, a panhard bar and KDW tires, I went back during last years Superfest and ran a 13.80@102 with a 2.18 60ft in 85+ degree weather with high humidity but that doesn't matter, right? I also used to and will eventually get back into Brackets, which if you do not know how to adjust to conditions, a person will not succeed in. I have run within .001 (yes it was an auto that time) in times consistantly and made it to several final rounds in 2 championships and the one gambler I entered so far. I have slips that prove it. Lots of em. In other words, please don't try to school me.

BTW, a stock LT1 engine in a 4th gen is more then capable of mid to low 12's with a few mods to help it launch and lighten it up a bit. I can prove it. :smt045

RyeLou · #9 (**permalink**) 07-29-2006, 01:11 AM

I wasn't trying to school you...I was stating facts along with one opinion of mine.

I still believe the time on your slip is your time, regardless of altitude or humidity or heat or whatever other conditions you have. I'd agree that you can get a good estimate as to what you would run at another altitude, but with different tunes and stresses on every car being different on top of the n/a vs. force fed thing making a difference, I don't think you can claimed to have ran a time/speed you haven't actually gone.

As far as your mod list and the exact details on the race, I only read what you posted. I don't feel the need to investigate everyones car before replying in a thread someone started. And I can't say I know off hand how fast F-bodys go as you shift from gear to gear at the top of the RPM range. I know what a stock SRT-8 Jeep and a stock LT1 can do and based my response off that.

I wasn't trying to offend you or anything like that. Sorry if thats how it came off. And I'd love to see a stock LT1 in a 4th gen run a mid-low 12 "with a few mods" to launch and lighten it. Not saying it can't be done...just saying cutting off well over a full second from a stock car takes quite a bit of weight reduction/traction help.

chuckspeed · #10 (**permalink**) 08-02-2006, 11:48 AM

rye -

I know you're not tryin to bang on Jon - he's a really decent guy and you'd enjoy hangin with him F2F.

Please keep in mind he's runnin a 1LE - this is GM's equivalent of an ACR. The car has all sorts of factory deletes which render it substantially lighter than what most folks consider 'stock' - even though his car is stock. Consider it a factory stock racer, and you get the picture.

jon - don't be such a tech weenie - that's supposed to be MY turf! :h