do you let others drive your car?

Originally Posted by Rare4thgens

....... WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TOUCH SHINY SH-T THAT THEY DON"T OWN! :smt076

'Cause it looks soooooo shiny and smoooooth! :smt038 (a-holes)

[jdustu]

i don't think i'll ever own anything that's so important that someone else can't touch it......or drive it for that matter......the only time i'd worry is if someone didn't understand a certain vehicles characteristics and would endanger themselves/others by driving it.....the cars are just metal and fiberglass......

what's really bad is taking my wife anywhere, especially car shows, where there is a sign that says "do not touch" in an engine bay or windshield....to her that says "please get your fingerprints all over my car"

[03cobra]

just mom

[Rare4thgens]

Originally Posted by jdustu

i don't think i'll ever own anything that's so important that someone else can't touch it......or drive it for that matter......the only time i'd worry is if someone didn't understand a certain vehicles characteristics and would endanger themselves/others by driving it.....the cars are just metal and fiberglass......

what's really bad is taking my wife anywhere, especially car shows, where there is a sign that says "do not touch" in an engine bay or windshield....to her that says "please get your fingerprints all over my car"

OK since this is on the subject of how much you care about your ride/s.

OMG, I have to say this, don't take her to car shows! I have to be blunt, try not to take too much offence because she must mean the world to you but I am not sexist. If anyone, man or women is ignorant enough to grope or print up my car and especially if I have a sign on it that says "Do Not Touch" that at LEAST calls for me making that person cry from mental agony. One of these days you will come across a lunatic and regret it.

My cars & truck are not just metal and fiberglass (or composits or what ever), they are blood, sweat, passion and art and that is for me to decide since I own them. I am not calling you one but I had an asshole once tell me "it's just a car." It was right after he plowed into me and totaled my 96 Z28SS and my back at the same time. Now I hope to see he never legally drives again. I would put him in the poor house for the rest of his life but I DO realize he is just stupid and iresponcible like most people. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth MAN I wish that were true. OK I am done venting now and shutting up.

[WishIHadACamaro]

Originally Posted by Rare4thgens

My cars & truck are not just metal and fiberglass (or composits or what ever), they are blood, sweat, passion and art and that is for me to decide since I own them.

:smt045

[jdustu]

that's how most car people see it, but shit happens.... i agree that cars can be a reflection of what you are, and they can represent the work you put into them, but no amount of manual labor is going to give them a real soul or breathe literal life into them. if your car is a priority above a living person then you need to put yourself in check......IT'S JUST A CAR!!!!!!

that being said, there is a respect issue as far as not messing with somebody elses property. but accidents happen, they always have and always will.

[Rare4thgens]

Not saying what I am or what I believe but ever think maybe someone on here might be agnostic or even atheist? Ever study philosophy and try to make an argument for the soul? My cars are in the garage, out in the driveway and so on, where is my soul? "Inside you" is not a valid argument. Just something to ponder.

Your car may be just a car to you but mine sure aren't to me and that is up to me to decide since my name is on the titles. And don't pull that whats more important crap either, that is bull. I care deeply about those who are close to me and those who need help and so on, but if someone disrespects me, my family, my friends, my four legged kids OR my rides they are in deep shit. It is called a passion and a part of my culture. My original point was simple, if you don't get it, that's your problem. I am not trying to sound hostile, just blunt as usual since your opinion is your opinion but don't tell people what to think about their personal belongings, let them decide.

A promenint Afgani archeologist recently said this about the tragedies of their acient sites being destroyed by the taliban "a people without culture are a people without history" No history, no people to remember and no point in having existed.

[jdustu]

Originally Posted by Rare4thgens

A promenint Afgani archeologist recently said this about the tragedies of their acient sites being destroyed by the taliban "a people without culture are a people without history" No history, no people to remember and no point in having existed.

Maybe he should have thought a little more about the people who are athiests then, because there would be no point in having existed anyways........


seriously though,what the heck did that have to do with anything i said ? I never even hinted at believing automobiles and the hobby culture surrounding it should vanish, or even that they don't occupy a useful and even valuable part of our society. I merely pointed out that elevating your ride to a status higher than a fellow human is absurd. at least in my opinion :smt023

i even agreed that respecting someone's personal property is important as well. but just because you own something does not give you the right(especially in our society) to define it. In a broader, "non-religious" sense,even with morality set aside the soul is often thought of as the part of you that thinks and wills that something be done. all jokes aside, a car never has and never will have impulses,feelings, or think about it's past mistakes.
Anyways, it's not really about the car, it's about the work you put into it, right? the blood, the sweat, the tears, the money, the vision......all that makes it more valuable, right? what makes your kids valuable? what makes you pets valuable? what makes your friends valuable? no amount of your humanity that you put into an inanimate object can logically raise it to a higher level than something that has a conscience.

Ever study philosophy and try to make an argument for the soul? My cars are in the garage, out in the driveway and so on, where is my soul? "Inside you" is not a valid argument. Just something to ponder.

Have you ever thought about what "you" are? are "you" just flesh and bones, and if so where do feelings come from?
are "you" just the product of synapses lighting off and body parts moving, and if so where did the first movement come from and why don't they stop? I could be wrong, but i don't believe that anyone has ever made a succesful argument for the exact location of the soul. it's not something you can have surgery on, and it's not something you'll see in a biology textbook. it's a paradigm used to define how and why people act and live the way they do.
either that or it's in your femur........

[Ta Jay]

[/quote] Have you ever thought about what "you" are? are "you" just flesh and bones, and if so where do feelings come from?
are "you" just the product of synapses lighting off and body parts moving, and if so where did the first movement come from and why don't they stop? I could be wrong, but i don't believe that anyone has ever made a succesful argument for the exact location of the soul. it's not something you can have surgery on, and it's not something you'll see in a biology textbook. it's a paradigm used to define how and why people act and live the way they do.
either that or it's in your femur........[/quote]


hmmm good point. touchae'

[Rare4thgens]

Originally Posted by jdustu

Maybe he should have thought a little more about the people who are athiests then, because there would be no point in having existed anyways........


seriously though,what the heck did that have to do with anything i said ? I never even hinted at believing automobiles and the hobby culture surrounding it should vanish, or even that they don't occupy a useful and even valuable part of our society. I merely pointed out that elevating your ride to a status higher than a fellow human is absurd. at least in my opinion :smt023

i even agreed that respecting someone's personal property is important as well. but just because you own something does not give you the right(especially in our society) to define it. In a broader, "non-religious" sense,even with morality set aside the soul is often thought of as the part of you that thinks and wills that something be done. all jokes aside, a car never has and never will have impulses,feelings, or think about it's past mistakes.
Anyways, it's not really about the car, it's about the work you put into it, right? the blood, the sweat, the tears, the money, the vision......all that makes it more valuable, right? what makes your kids valuable? what makes you pets valuable? what makes your friends valuable? no amount of your humanity that you put into an inanimate object can logically raise it to a higher level than something that has a conscience.

Have you ever thought about what "you" are? are "you" just flesh and bones, and if so where do feelings come from?
are "you" just the product of synapses lighting off and body parts moving, and if so where did the first movement come from and why don't they stop? I could be wrong, but i don't believe that anyone has ever made a succesful argument for the exact location of the soul. it's not something you can have surgery on, and it's not something you'll see in a biology textbook. it's a paradigm used to define how and why people act and live the way they do.
either that or it's in your femur........[/quote]



I am starting to like you and I can see you are one who does truely think and I am sorry if these are out order and incomplete (as in no resourses) since I am running on 4 hours of sleep.

1. OK, to maybe make you feel better about wasting your time with me, I do believe in the possibility of souls but I didn't bring it up and tend to look at it from a scientific point of view then spiritual not that these 2 can't coexist.

2. As to why I brought up that archeologist. We don't have to use a soul as a point to exist. Just because it was there, a strive to survive and advance ourselves in all ways possible is reason enough to live. If we have a soul which would mean a possibly higher state or whatever you want to call it after we pass that just gives people more reason to not take life in all ways for granted. Unfortunately we may just be complex machines with complex programming from millions of years of adaptation.

3. I never once said anything about putting something that was not self aware and with a conscience on a higher level then a truely living creature and especially not a human life. This was assumed and I can see why but it is certainly not what I intended to put accross.

4. There have been successful arguments for the soul, simply being aware that you do exist is one, unfortunately there have also been against them since we have no solid proof, just the mysterious 5-6 grams (I think that was the amount) imediately lost from the brain at death. It is a frustrating argument and one that have left many a ciggarette burned to the butt.

5. A paridigm is simply a set of rules to follow. People are what they are because of their surroundings/experiences and genetic composition.

OK, since I am sure some people are starting to think we are pushing the limits of the topic lol maybe I can buy you a beer some time or just hang out so we can both learn from each other? I hope so.